OGB Minutes 2009 09 03
attendance:
Michelle Olson
Jim Walker
JBeck
Peter Tribble
John Plocher
Simon Phipps
regrets: Valerie
secretary: Deirdré Straughan
JW: proposal to switch back to weekly meetings
MO: agreement?
PT: website meeting next Thursday?
MO: no, pushed off to 17th due to engineers on vacation
JP: [weekly meetings] a good idea
JB: not in favor, would strongly request we drop the extra half hour
MO: agreed on one hour weekly meetings
MO: 3 in favor, JB and SP will show up when they can
MO: so we go back to one-hour meetings, weekly
2. AI Review
◦ Valerie: send mail with writeup of in memoriam web page for site and process for adding to it
◦ Michelle to email potential facilitators for Approachability
◦ DS Contributer grants (should bugs be filed for all of these?)
▪ Documentation: michelle (core contributor)
▪ Storage: CC grants: jforte??
▪ LDoms (bug 11088)
▪ SysAdmin (bug 11089)
MO: AI for Simon re draft const on Co-Ment.net - SP: not done yet
JP: will help with Co-Ment, has a drafted version ready for Genunix wiki. Will start with current from last election draft as baseline.
MO:
JP: doc for wiki fixes disconnect between charter and const. Taken Ben's comments and updated the constitution, I don't believe there is now a need to update the current charter. For various roles in community charter requires a well spelled out responsibilities
MO: polling interface and voting mech discussed with web team 2 weeks ago. This is on their radar in time for next reg scheduled election
project instantiation is in future agenda items
contrib grants on hold until Bonnie says database work is completed
BUSINESS
MO: first motion: (we waited because Simon and Peter weren't available).
SP [giving context] time has come for us to go full speed on revised const. Have heard unease and uncertainty e.g. from Bonnie's team. Community view that we should revise old const, if anything, otherwsie simply enforce rules.
we have agreed to fix defects in old const and present to electorate for voting.
This motion is to clarify
[Simon, please insert statement as you read it.]
JB: 2 constitutions have been put to vote, one the currently active one, the other which was voted down. Which are we talking about?
SP: the one that failed to be adopted during election of this current OGB
revised motion: Motion: "The OGB intends to propose to the electorate adoption of the constitution previously voted upon in the last election with essential issues addressed"
PT: concerns about limiting scope
SP substantially limits from what we have now
MO was expecting list of essential issues this week
JB is that different from what's on the talk page or a subset or superset?
MO expected subset, but since no one looked at it I'm a little discouraged
SP there is little risk then of task spinning out of control, if it's a subset
MO that's just my assumption
PT without that list it could just spiral
JB I designate Peter as anti-spiral monitor
SP far more worried about leaving open in public mind poss of us writing a 3rd const. Would be happier if that or nitpicking current one is ruled out. This motion removes that risk.
JW spirit of this motion is key.
MO: comments from JB?
JB: not specifically, generally supportive of what Simon's been saying
MO other comments
JP glad Peter went back to first principles, as sanity check, to avoid possibility of yet a 3rd constitution
MO: SP call a vote?
SP first call for a second
JB second
vote:
MO yes
SP in favor
JB aye
JP yes
JW aye
PT abstain
[do you want this level of detail?]
MO motion passed
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BUSINESS
Status update: "Not obviously active" communities (see OGB_Group_Lifecycle_Administrative_Procedures and http://opensolaris.org/os/community/web/infrastructure-setup/ )
PT did give an update to ogb-discuss, nothing has changed since that list was sent, no response from appliances, approachability to go, chinese users probably superseded by user group, response from databases (to follow up), games nothing which is interesting because there is some activity on that mailing list
JW that one might be a situation of a leadership problem - was never well formed
MO can we help there, can someone talk to Lynn and ask if we can find leadership for games community
PT powerpc should be terminated, proposed cleanup never done - replaced by ppcdev project, they all thought community had gone,
MO web issue, AI to get Jim Grisanzio to clean it up
PT ufs in particular and prob solaris vol mgr should be rehomed as projects, presumably under ON
JW yes, like that approach. Do we have a process to demote communities to projects?
PT dislikes term "demote"
JB as most prominent member of that community, I don't think it's a problem
PT they want to keep mailing list
MO who's making this transition happen?
PT I can push it through
JB you push, if you have trouble let me know and I'll help
PT observability - some interest, but not critical mass as yet. That leaves 2 which have very clearly stated they wish to continue and have come up with lists: printing and HPC dev. Have suggested CCs that we can approve and revitalize the communities.
JP that's good
JW do we need motions to disband the identified communities?
PT if nothing happens within 30 days. No need for a vote on shutting down, it's administrative rather than governance. Revitalizing, we have to appoint new CCs.
Motion: Approve revitalization of Printing Community
MO 2nd motion for printing
passed unanimously
Motion: Approve revitalization of HPC Developer Community
JW seconds
JB abstains, hasn't followed discussion
passed
PT will follow up and notify them, log bugs with list of CCs
MO good cleanup work
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MO Schedule for Draft Constitution was based on biweekly meeting calendar. Any comments? Feedback welcome.
JP about to submit draft to Co-Ment
PT we all need to read and understand the new const
MO timetable is a draft, changing due to weekly meetings. will put togther a list of essential changes.
SP JP please sent email with Co-Ment URL
JP already there