OGB Meeting Minutes, Aug 6, 2009
attendance:
Michelle Olson
Valerie Bubb Fenwick (present 9-9:30)
JBeck
Jim Walker
John Plocher
Peter Tribble
absent
Simon Phipps
secretary
Deirdré Straughan
guest speaker
Lynn Rohrer
auditing
Chuck Baker
procedural
calendar items?
MO added milestone for website transition
schedule for comm project and user group reporting? PT - not yet
2009.008 policy approved on grant renewals, referring to 2009.007 (policy reminding people to read about responsibilities)
VBF has not gotten to in memoriam AI
DS - AI - 2 contrib grants to add (MO documentation, JForte for storage)
presentation from Lynn Rohrer on OpenSolaris Community (and stats)
in response to discussion on dead communities
Plocher - suggests we put slide 2 on site to show real activity - send to website discuss
LR we should figure out a way to automate the metrics - JPlocher - sounds like an AI (but for whom)?
slide 5 - what drove traffic to osarm? announcement and press coverage. Crossbow also got a lift out of recent activity
C1 and release of 2009.06 brought comstar and crossbow numbers up
discussion on ways to capture partnership info
JP good to highlight these contributors
LR Zmanda an example of partner who brings their ecosystem to the party
slide 10 - :? from Lynn: does OGB have regular communication with any of these other distributions?
JP - on personal level, yes
MO - Milax hosts on our site
Chris Bergstrom of OSUNIX - LR asks do we get much back from these distros?
some tech prototyped into Belenix has gone into Indian and OpenSolaris
but our site had no way to host the distribution building stuff
PT - want to keep connected so we don't lose them completely
LR - what other data can we give you that will be helpful in making decisions and setting direction?
JP - we don't have a direction, we're an advisory board rather than governing board
MO - not sure of the answer, but this info helps me think about what kind of data we could use more of
would be helpful to have project data on a per-community basis
e.g. what communities are spawning projects
JW - can we make this more systematic?
LR - would like to automate
JP - recommends Code Swarms http://blogs.sun.com/albertw/entry/opensolaris_code_swarms
JP happy to bounce ideas offline
PT -we're supposed to produce reports (annual). Every group could have a skeleton report with its stats to use as a base, then just fill in highlights
start with omniture report
JP - do this again in 6 mos?
LR - recommend looking at this data quarterly
JP - would like to see trends next time
preso - put up a pdf and announce to ogb discuss
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JW - PT & I reviewing website transition, see issues with using constitutional roles
contrib and core contrib - not a good idea to associate with website user rights
We have stated reasons for this (watering down of roles - people have to be contributors to make web changes), no acknowledgement of problem or interest in changing.
JP - structure has been built on top of wrong assumptions, but it's too late to go back and change.
JW - Mike and others all realize that if and when new constitution is ratified, they will have to make changes to user roles, they're already planning to.
JP - Allan is saying it's not possible to change then.
JW - won't wait for a new constitution, this is not required by the constitution
JP uplevel: it is a truth that was a bug that could be filed against it. But should we fix that now or later, what are risks and cost implications of that. And is the OGB the right group to have that prioritization/resource allocation discussion or not? Website team is choosing not to address this now.
JW - confusion of roles between contributors and website editors
JP - [website editors] could be considered a substantial contribution
JP - OGB does not control Tonic resource allocation, or website property. Has no ability to dictate - we're an advisory board, not a governing board. Given the powers we have I'm not sure what we can do in the middle of this web transition, except derail it.
JW - If we don't have power to do anything, we don't have power to derail. We could at least make a constitutional interpretation to clearly state that this is a bug: there's no need to tie the two together.
JP working on new new constitution [DS to JP: please send text you read out]
JW - that's not too bad
JW does constitution tie electorate to these roles?
PT is that true or not? I get conflicting answers
JP what should the OGB do?
JW if website team had said "You're right"... but they're not even saying that. I think we need to make a statement and vote that there is an issue.
JP can you draft a statement?
JW and PT to work on a proposal
request to put inactive communities on top of agenda next time