Pilot Conversation: 1/24/05 to 2/14/05
OpenSolaris CAB: Call for Nominations
-- Original Message --
Subject: [Opensolaris-discuss] OpenSolaris CAB: Call for Nominations
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:23:19 -0800
From: Jim Grisanzio <Jim.Grisanzio@Sun.COM>
To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Guys ...
As we have briefly mentioned on this list, tomorrow's announcements will include the decision to form the OpenSolaris Community Advisory Board (CAB). We hope you are supportive of the idea because we are looking for ways we can work closer with the community and engage you earlier on multiple issues going forward.
We've put together a simple structure to start. We feel the board should be consensus-driven and be chartered with identifying, proposing, and implementing formal structures and policies around a variety of elements on this project. For instance, the CAB would interface with various Sun internal engineering, architectural, and steering committees as well as define the rules for community interaction and involvement.
The board will consist of the following:
- 2 external pilot participants the community nominates and elects
- 2 Sun employees that Sun appoints
- 1 participant from the open source community that Sun appoints
NOTE: The future make up and role of the board will be decided by the board, of course. This structure just gets us going.
Beginning tomorrow, we'll be taking nominations from the pilot community for the 2 community participants. Nominations will be public on this discuss list and run for 2 weeks. Only external pilot community members will nominate and vote for their participants, since Sun will be nominating two Sun employees and an external open source participant. Then we'll hold a vote to an email address that is sent to me. Voting will be private and run for 1 week. One vote each, please. Top two guys win.
The Schedule:
- 01/25: nominations discussed for two weeks on list
- 02/08: nomination process ends at noon pacific time
- 02/15: ballot posted and private voting begins for one week
- 02/22: election ends at noon pacific time
: election results announced to pilot community at 5 pm pacific
- 03/01 : TBD ... *possible* public announcement of full board
The initial term of duty for elected pilot community members is 1 year. The board will have its own mail list for discussions and will meet via conference calls every two weeks. The time commitment at a minimum will
be approximately 8 hours a month. If the board wants to change any of these items, it surely can. We want to keep the process and the role of the board as light as possible initially, so the board itself can define much of its own role.
Call for Nominations:
You can nominate yourself or anyone in the pilot program. Keep in mind that the pilot program right now contains more than 70 people externally, so if you are interested in participating but have not been active on the mail list, please feel free to chime in on this. Everyone's opinion has value, and we want to hear your views. You can respond to this email, or create a fresh email for distribution and discussion of nominations. But if you create a new email, please put
"CAB Nominations" somewhere in the subject field so we can easily track the mail. If you have any questions on this, let's work them out together. Danese Cooper on our team has been involved in elections of this nature many times before on many open source projects, so she'll be around on the list to help.
Let's go create a CAB.
Jim G.
-- Original Message --
Subject: Re: [Opensolaris-discuss] OpenSolaris CAB: Call for Nominations
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:06:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Al Hopper <al@logical-approach.com>
To: Jim Grisanzio <Jim.Grisanzio@Sun.COM>
CC: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> The Schedule:
>
> - 01/25: nominations discussed for two weeks on list
> - 02/08: nomination process ends at noon pacific time
> - 02/15: ballot posted and private voting begins for one week
> - 02/22: election ends at noon pacific time
> : election results announced to pilot community at 5 pm pacific
> - 03/01: TBD ... *possible* public announcement of full board
I'd like to suggest a more compressed timeline:
01/25: nominations discussed for 3 1/2 business days on the list (25, 26,27, 28)
01/28: nominations end at noon pacific time (28th)
participants have the weekend to discuss CAB, privately or publicly
01/31: ballot posted and private voting begins for 2 business days (02/01, 02/02)
02/03: election ends at noon pacific time
election results announced to pilot community at 5 pm pacific
02/04+ TBD ... *possible* public announcement of full board
I think it's important that the OpenSolaris program display a sense of
urgency and also suggest that there is a 'better' sense of accomplishment
and moving forward if the time line is compressed rather than extended.
Comments?
Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al@logical-approach.com
Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134
Happy, Healthy and prosperous New Year.
-- Original Message --
Subject: Re: [Opensolaris-discuss] OpenSolaris CAB: Call for Nominations
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:14:12 -0600
From: Jarod Jenson <jarod@aeysis.com>
Organization: Aeysis, Inc.
To: Al Hopper <al@logical-approach.com>
CC: Jim Grisanzio <Jim.Grisanzio@Sun.COM>, opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Al Hopper's email at 1/24/2005 9:06 PM, said:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
>
>>The Schedule:
>>
>> - 01/25: nominations discussed for two weeks on list
>> - 02/08: nomination process ends at noon pacific time
>> - 02/15: ballot posted and private voting begins for one week
>> - 02/22: election ends at noon pacific time
>> : election results announced to pilot community at 5 pm pacific
>> - 03/01: TBD ... *possible* public announcement of full board
>
>
> I'd like to suggest a more compressed timeline:
>
> 01/25: nominations discussed for 3 1/2 business days on the list (25, 26,27, 28)
> 01/28: nominations end at noon pacific time (28th)
> participants have the weekend to discuss CAB, privately or publicly
> 01/31: ballot posted and private voting begins for 2 business days (02/01, 02/02)
> 02/03: election ends at noon pacific time
> election results announced to pilot community at 5 pm pacific
> 02/04+ TBD ... *possible* public announcement of full board
>
> I think it's important that the OpenSolaris program display a sense of
> urgency and also suggest that there is a 'better' sense of accomplishment
> and moving forward if the time line is compressed rather than extended.
>
> Comments?
This timeline seems unfair for any of the 70 or so external on the list that
happen to take the wrong week for vaction. I can't imagine a nomination process
that is sub one week. Especially in light of the fact that the process has only
been broached 24 hours before that nomination. Urgency is understandable;
wreckless abandon is not. I wouldn't feel comfortable with any process that
doesn't also show due diligence.
Thanks,
Jarod
-- Original Message --
Subject: Re: [Opensolaris-discuss] OpenSolaris CAB: Call for Nominations
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:23:49 +1100
From: Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC) <Alan.Hargreaves@Sun.COM>
To: Jarod Jenson <jarod@aeysis.com>
CC: Al Hopper <al@logical-approach.com>, Jim Grisanzio <Jim.Grisanzio@Sun.COM>, opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Jarod Jenson wrote:
>
>
> Al Hopper's email at 1/24/2005 9:06 PM, said:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The Schedule:
>>>
>>> - 01/25: nominations discussed for two weeks on list
>>> - 02/08: nomination process ends at noon pacific time
>>> - 02/15: ballot posted and private voting begins for one week
>>> - 02/22: election ends at noon pacific time
>>> : election results announced to pilot community at 5 pm pacific
>>> - 03/01: TBD ... *possible* public announcement of full board
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to suggest a more compressed timeline:
>>
>> 01/25: nominations discussed for 3 1/2 business days on the list (25,
>> 26,27, 28)
>> 01/28: nominations end at noon pacific time (28th)
>> participants have the weekend to discuss CAB, privately or
>> publicly
>> 01/31: ballot posted and private voting begins for 2 business days
>> (02/01, 02/02)
>> 02/03: election ends at noon pacific time
>> election results announced to pilot community at 5 pm pacific
>> 02/04+ TBD ... *possible* public announcement of full board
>>
>> I think it's important that the OpenSolaris program display a sense of
>> urgency and also suggest that there is a 'better' sense of accomplishment
>> and moving forward if the time line is compressed rather than extended.
>>
>> Comments?
>
>
> This timeline seems unfair for any of the 70 or so external on the list
> that happen to take the wrong week for vaction. I can't imagine a
> nomination process that is sub one week. Especially in light of the fact
> that the process has only been broached 24 hours before that nomination.
> Urgency is understandable; wreckless abandon is not. I wouldn't feel
> comfortable with any process that doesn't also show due diligence.
>
I think that I have to agree with Jarod here. Why not run the
nominations until Feb 4, run the ballot through the following week, say
Thursday Feb 10, and then announce on Friday Feb 11?
I would worry that running with such a compressed nomination time could
be interpreted us Sun pushing something through quickly to get a
*favourable to us* result.
alan.
--
Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta
Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Engineer
Product Technical Support (APAC)
Sun Microsystems
-- Original Message --
Subject: Re: [Opensolaris-discuss] OpenSolaris CAB: Call for Nominations
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:09:10 +0000 (GMT)
From: Peter C. Tribble <ptribble@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk>
Reply-To: Peter C. Tribble <ptribble@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk>
To: Jim.Grisanzio@Sun.COM
CC: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Jim,
>>>Then we'll hold a vote to an email address that is sent to me. Voting
>>>will be private and run for 1 week. One vote each, please. Top two guys win.
Surely, with 2 posts, we get 2 votes each?
-Peter Tribble
MRC Rosalind Franklin Centre for Genomics Research
http://www.rfcgr.mrc.ac.uk/~ptribble/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
-- Original Message --
Subject: [Opensolaris-discuss] OpenSolaris CAB: Nominations
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:21:11 -0800
From: Ben Rockwood <benr@cuddletech.com>
To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Today is the day to start the discussion, so I guess I'll lead off.
I'd like to nominate individuals who have already shown leadership in
the community as a whole and in this pilot from the day they came on board:
For Seat #1: Rich Teer
Rich is widely known, a leader and massive contributer for years to
mailing lists and news groups. Rich has all the needed skills, and the
pulse of the future.
For Seat #2: Jörg Schilling
He's brash, he's skilled, he jumped to work the moment he came on board
the pilot and is unrelenting. He knows the community, he is known by
everyone, and he stands up for what he believes in whether it's popular
or not. Some of us have rubbed with him before, but you can not deny is
passion.
There are my nominations. I'm still not sure if we get 1 say per seat
or just 1 say period, but I think Rich and Jorg both form a powerful and
balanced team for the interest of us all. (Provided the project doesn't
become BerlinOlaris. 
j/k)
Good luck to all those nominated, it's going to be quite an oppertunity
but also quite a massive commitment.
benr.
-- Original Message --
Subject: Re: [Opensolaris-discuss] OpenSolaris CAB: Nominations
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:07:33 -0500
From: Chris Morgan <cm@mihalis.net>
To: Ben Rockwood <benr@cuddletech.com>
CC: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
I would like to second both nominations. Ben, well said.
Chris
On Jan 25, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Ben Rockwood wrote:
> Today is the day to start the discussion, so I guess I'll lead off.
>
> I'd like to nominate individuals who have already shown leadership in
> the community as a whole and in this pilot from the day they came on
> board:
>
> For Seat #1: Rich Teer
> Rich is widely known, a leader and massive contributer for years to
> mailing lists and news groups. Rich has all the needed skills, and
> the pulse of the future.
>
> For Seat #2: Jörg Schilling
> He's brash, he's skilled, he jumped to work the moment he came on
> board the pilot and is unrelenting. He knows the community, he is
> known by everyone, and he stands up for what he believes in whether
> it's popular or not. Some of us have rubbed with him before, but you
> can not deny is passion.
>
> There are my nominations. I'm still not sure if we get 1 say per seat
> or just 1 say period, but I think Rich and Jorg both form a powerful
> and balanced team for the interest of us all. (Provided the project
> doesn't become BerlinOlaris. j/k)
>
> Good luck to all those nominated, it's going to be quite an
> oppertunity but also quite a massive commitment.
>
> benr.
-- Original Message --
Subject: Re: [Opensolaris-discuss] OpenSolaris CAB: Nominations
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:47:00 +1000
From: Robert Lunnon <bobl@optushome.com.au>
Reply-To: bobl@optushome.com.au
To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:21 am, Ben Rockwood wrote:
> Today is the day to start the discussion, so I guess I'll lead off.
>
> I'd like to nominate individuals who have already shown leadership in
> the community as a whole and in this pilot from the day they came on board:
>
> For Seat #1: Rich Teer
> Rich is widely known, a leader and massive contributer for years to
> mailing lists and news groups. Rich has all the needed skills, and the
> pulse of the future.
>
> For Seat #2: Jörg Schilling
> He's brash, he's skilled, he jumped to work the moment he came on board
> the pilot and is unrelenting. He knows the community, he is known by
> everyone, and he stands up for what he believes in whether it's popular
> or not. Some of us have rubbed with him before, but you can not deny is
> passion.
>
> There are my nominations. I'm still not sure if we get 1 say per seat
> or just 1 say period, but I think Rich and Jorg both form a powerful and
> balanced team for the interest of us all. (Provided the project doesn't
> become BerlinOlaris. j/k)
>
> Good luck to all those nominated, it's going to be quite an oppertunity
> but also quite a massive commitment.
>
Both excellent candidates. There are any number of top candidates on this
list. I might say that the internationalisation of the CAB is highly
desirable as well since too heavy a US domination of the CAB makeup will be
disadvantageous. Conditions in the USA are quite different to many other
parts of the world. I hope for this reason that Sun consider
internationalising their nominees as well.
Bob
-- Original Message --
Subject: Re: [Opensolaris-discuss] OpenSolaris CAB: Nominations
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:51:05 -0800
From: Alan Coopersmith <Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com>
To: bobl@optushome.com.au
CC: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Robert Lunnon wrote:
> Both excellent candidates. There are any number of top candidates on this
> list. I might say that the internationalisation of the CAB is highly
> desirable as well since too heavy a US domination of the CAB makeup will be
> disadvantageous. Conditions in the USA are quite different to many other
> parts of the world. I hope for this reason that Sun consider
> internationalising their nominees as well.
I'm all for that, but have you ever tried organizing a meeting time with
people in North America, the Pacific Rim, and Europe all at a reasonable
time? Someone always ends up having to call in during the middle of the
night. (We've hit this both in our JDS cross-group calls in Sun -- with
the X team in California, GNOME in Ireland, StarOffice in Germany, and
Mozilla in Beijing -- and in X.Org with active volunteers ranging from
Germany to Australia and of course all across the US.)
--
-Alan Coopersmith-
alan.coopersmith@sun.com
-- Original Message --
Subject: Re: [Opensolaris-discuss] OpenSolaris CAB: Nominations
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:54:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Rich Teer <rich.teer@rite-group.com>
To: Robert Lunnon <bobl@optushome.com.au>
CC: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
References: <41F6E277.5020508@cuddletech.com> <200501261347.00484.bobl@optushome.com.au>
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Robert Lunnon wrote:
> Both excellent candidates. There are any number of top candidates on this
> list. I might say that the internationalisation of the CAB is highly
> desirable as well since too heavy a US domination of the CAB makeup will be
Good point, although no worries with Jörg or me, as neither of us
are from the US (he's in Germany and I'm in Canada).
But Alan C's comment about timezones is equally valid.
I guess the CAB (whoever ends up being on it) can worry about that
at the appropriate time. :-)
--
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, author of "Solaris Systems Programming"
President,
Rite Online Inc.
Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich
-- Original Message --
Subject: Re: [Opensolaris-discuss] Nomination -- Nominations Now Closed
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:06:18 -0800
From: Jim Grisanzio <Jim.Grisanzio@Sun.COM>
To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, Philip Brown <ppb@usc.edu>, Pieter Van den Abeele <pvdabeel@gentoo.org>, Ben Rockwood <benr@cuddletech.com>
Ok, Thanks Ben.
Pieter ... I put your name on the wiki for consideration. If you'd like
to run, I'd appreciate it if you could put up some bio info on the wiki
(if not, let me know before tomorrow morning).
Some people who were nominated in discussions on this list have told me
privately that they can't participate for a number of good reasons --
though they were honored to be nominated. There's always next year.
Below are the nominees for the CAB:
Pieter Van den Abeele
Phil Brown
James Dickens
Al Hopper
Ben Rockwood
Jörg Schilling
Rich Teer
I'll send out a ballot email and voting procedures tomorrow around noon
pacific time or so.
Jim
Ben Rockwood wrote:
> Since today is the last day for nominations, I'd like to toss Pieter Van
> den Abeele's name into the hat. He's a good guy, has experience in the
> world of Linux/OSS and Solaris, and is an excellent advicate for the
> project as well as having a public face. He's gonna be busy hacking on
> Gentoo, but if he'll accept he'd have a lot to add.
>
>
>
> benr.
-- Original Message --
Subject: Re: [Opensolaris-discuss] Nomination -- Nominations Now Closed
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:31:52 +0100
From: Pieter Van den Abeele <pvdabeel@gentoo.org>
To: Jim Grisanzio <Jim.Grisanzio@Sun.COM>
CC: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, Ben Rockwood <benr@cuddletech.com>, Pieter Van den Abeele <pvdabeel@gentoo.org>, Philip Brown <ppb@usc.edu>
On 14 Feb 2005, at 22:06, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Ok, Thanks Ben.
>
> Pieter ... I put your name on the wiki for consideration. If you'd
> like to run, I'd appreciate it if you could put up some bio info on
> the wiki (if not, let me know before tomorrow morning).
I'll run. I should have a bio up by tomorrow morning my timezone.
> Some people who were nominated in discussions on this list have told
> me privately that they can't participate for a number of good reasons
> -- though they were honored to be nominated. There's always next year.
>
>
> Below are the nominees for the CAB:
>
> Pieter Van den Abeele
> Phil Brown
> James Dickens
> Al Hopper
> Ben Rockwood
> Jörg Schilling
> Rich Teer
>
> I'll send out a ballot email and voting procedures tomorrow around
> noon pacific time or so.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Ben Rockwood wrote:
>
>> Since today is the last day for nominations, I'd like to toss Pieter
>> Van den Abeele's name into the hat. He's a good guy, has experience
>> in the world of Linux/OSS and Solaris, and is an excellent advicate
>> for the project as well as having a public face. He's gonna be busy
>> hacking on Gentoo, but if he'll accept he'd have a lot to add.
>> benr.
>
